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by Jeffrey Junig
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Interesting article. I have used Suboxone for quite some time under the care of a Dr. and I have to say that the withdrawal that I am experiencing from just 2mg a day of Suboxone is worse than the Oxycontin withdrawal I had in the first place. I don't know anybody who has successfully come off of the "Subs" at all and I know many!!!! I am on day 14 without that poison and I have only made it this far with the help of N/A... I will tell anybody reading this; DON'T TAKE SUBOXONE YOU'RE ONLY PROLONGING THE INEVITABLE! And get into a REAL program before you ruin your life any further!I would like to respond to Bob B if I may.How long were you taking opiates? What I don't get is why so many people think that they should not have any withdrawal when they stop taking Suboxone. You have withdrawal when you stop Oxycontin don't you? Why should it be any different with Suboxone. I would imagine that when you started Suboxone, you did it because you did not want to suffer the pain of withdrawal.Why would you want to stop taking Suboxone? Has it saved your life? Have you been able to go back to work? Taking Suboxone is like taking any other drug to manage a disease. You don't just stop taking Insulin do you? Or blood pressure medicine.Addiction is a disease, it needs to be managed.I for one am happy to say to anyone, I don't care if I end up taking Suboxone for the rest of my life. At least I'll have a life to live.2 mg per day of Suboxe and you were an Oxy addict. I don't buy that one bit.The inevitable is we are all addicts. I, for one, am a massive drug addict for 23 years and am now on Suboxone, 24mg per day. If Suboxone is addictive or not, does not matter to me at this point. If I continued taking handfuls of Vicodin, Percocet, Oxy and (add narcotic here) I would be closing my death sentence even sooner.As addicts we need to support one another in our struggles to be as normal as we can possibly can be. Squabbles about Suboxone use should never be looked down upon. What works is to keep a fellow brother or sister addict clean no matter what.The use of Suboxone is a tool, that's all. With the proper doctor, counseling and a course of action you will succeed or you will die an unnatural death. If any addict takes a hollier than thow stance then go away and re-evaluate your own life then come back and help us fellow addictsI wonder where Bob B is now?
i too have been on suboxone for a year and am on day seven of my detox from suboxone....the w/d is horrible and i would rather go back in time and just tough out the four days or so of vicodin w/d than to have been putting this poison in my body for the last year....it numbs you it keeps you tranquilized and kills your emotions......you look forward to your dosing just like any other drug and it just as addictive and twice as potent as vicodin......maybe for heroin or oxycontin users it may be a good idea but for someone addicted to percs or vics or any other low concentration opiate they should turn and run when dr. miracle offers you suboxone
No this article is not accurate. Completely false statement "This leaves suboxone patients to go to Narcotics Anonymous and hide their use of suboxone". In NA you cannot be on a mind or mood altering substance because it's not considered clean time. What will science come up with next? How about getting patients off of drugs completely and not substituting one for another. It is an easy way out. How about hard work and determination. I believe doctors across the US are ruining chances of people to get better because they do not understand addiction and are money hungry, greedy, human beings.Very misleading!!!This is a narrow minded and potentially dangerous viewpoint. I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself and allow people to get into recovery by any means.No mind altering drugs? Meanwhile zoloft and other syce meds are ok right but methadone and suboxone are wrong I am a open N.A. And suboxone user are you saying your better then me or my program is weak, I wish I was as great as you. Think you are.naive comment- have you any clue as to what happens in the brain of an opiate addict? MOre and more receptors are created- up regulation- and in some adicts they are beyobd repair- their brains are PHYSICALLY incapable of losing the urge- no amount of prayer or determination can change this- for these people- like myself- suboxone is a godsend- and I have been on it for 7 years now, going to meetings regularly- and I tell NO ONE due to people like you- unfortunate it is
JB,I appreciate your comment but you’re wrong yourself.EVERYONE is welcome NA, even people using their regular drugs.We don’t exclude those on this drug replacement drug either – they are not clean, but maybe they will get our message; “life on life’s terms”.That of course means no drugs at all except for medical or psychological necessity.My issue now:I have a sponsee who admitted to me that he has been on suboxone the whole time we have been working our program.I replied that he wasn’t clean.He accepted that and said he had already decided prior to the admission to quit it.So now he really was clean.Now, he says he only agreed with me so he wouldn’t lose me as a sponsor, and wants to reclaim his lost clean time.I’m about to cut him loose, not because he used the suboxone, but because I can’t condone that kind of dishonesty.The sponsee was clean the entire time maybe your the one who is wrong. I suggest you call your sponsor and get to a meeting.Just one more example of the ridiculous, judgemental mindset of twelve step programs. NA did nothing for me, suboxone saved my life.Kuddos. It's about to save mine
Why wouldn't others in the recovering community like to see as many lives saved as possible? I know scores of people being treated with Suboxone who lead healthy normal lives again and despite their best efforts have not been able to abuse it (this is the whole point of Suboxone). Opiate addiction kills people and Suboxone has and will continue to save lives that would have otherwise been lost. I don't buy this whole argument that Suboxone patients are still "using" and no offense but I hope more for your sponsee's sake that you do drop him and he finds someone who knows the difference between medical treatment and "using". Are diabetics who take insulin "abusing"/"using" drugs? When an opiate addict is relieved from the obsession to use from either the program or Suboxone why should which they choose? Why are so many 12-steppers making people choose? Why are you putting people's lives at risk by encouraging them to stop taking live saving meds? I'm really sorry and I don't mean to get upset but that's just plain jealously and ignorance when you get right down to it. I would strongly like to encourage you to stop sponsoring people, you are bound to help someone find their way to the bottom of a 6 foot hole in the ground. I would further suggest you contact your own sponsor and take a look at what your motivations are in this situation.
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